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Hmm, I put 1500 mi on my Magictilt (upsized for my boat) in 2 DAYS, in the fall and spring, Mich - Keys and back. A 6000lb boat and has bigger I beams than the pics you provided. Have had zero issues in 11K mi. Orig tires and 4 whl discs.
As a auto engineer, always hard to swallow the BS that goes on with the boat and trailer manufacturers. Can you imagine a car company treated the OP the way this is going down. It is not his fault in the slightest.
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Tell whomever told you that to please send that on a letterhead... Something tells me you'll never see it. Hard to believe anyone with any common sense from a trailer mfg would ever say that.
I have it in Mike S.'s email response from LoadRite!

Here is the quote:

"We are in agreement that the entire issue stems from an out-of-balance condition with one or more of the tires on your trailer. Based on the significant amount of mileage on your trailer, this conclusion would be well founded."

1500 miles and 6 months old?

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Perfect... They supplied the tire and wheel I presume too... So when are they replacing those beams?
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I have it in Mike S.'s email response from LoadRite!

Here is the quote:

"We are in agreement that the entire issue stems from an out-of-balance condition with one or more of the tires on your trailer. Based on the significant amount of mileage on your trailer, this conclusion would be well founded."

1500 miles and 6 months old?

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If the trailer was not set up correctly or truly out of balance, any amount of miles would be bad for it. For a properly setup and balanced trailer, 1500 miles is nothing. I don't think he is saying the miles on the trailer caused the problem, but since the trailer had a problem to begin with, running the trailer 1500 miles was enough to tear it apart.

Just trying to see all sides here. Either way it's no fault of your own.
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Perfect... They supplied the tire and wheel I presume too... So when are they replacing those beams?
The rims and tires were Load Rites'. No weights of any kind on them from the beginning. Basically saying its the owners reponsibility when you drive off the dealers parking lot per their owners manual.

Really no mention if the I beams will be replaced. All Load Rite has said is it will be repaired. When and how is a good question, they say at a place near me. There is a lot of logistics yet to be determined.

Thanks for the support,

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The rims and tires were LoadRites. No weights of anykind on them from the beginning. Basically saying its the owners reponsibility when you drive off the dealers parking lot per their owners manual.


Terry
That's a crock. So if I buy a new F150 it is my responsibility to make sure the wheels are balanced?! I don't even think the dealer needs to be responsible. It should be from the manufacturer. Like any vehicle it should be "road ready" upon delivery to the customer.
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That's a crock. So if I buy a new F150 it is my responsibility to make sure the wheels are balanced?! I don't even think the dealer needs to be responsible. It should be from the manufacturer. Like any vehicle it should be "road ready" upon delivery to the customer.
Barry,

I could not agree with you more. Here is the full quote from Load Rite:

"We are in agreement that the entire issue stems from an out-of-balance condition with one or more of the tires on your trailer. Based on the significant amount of mileage on your trailer, this conclusion would be well founded.

From the Load Rite Owner’s Manual that leaves the factory with every trailer:

1.6.7. Tire Balance and Wheel Alignment

To avoid vibration or shaking of the vehicle when a tire rotates, the tire must be properly

balanced. This balance is achieved by positioning weights on the wheel to counterbalance

heavy spots on the wheel-and-tire assembly."


I am biting my tongue and not trying to bash and its getting really hard not too.

Thanks for level minded thinking from people like you,


Terry

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well, i'm about to take delivery of a new boat with a loadrite trailer and i'm considering changing trailer manufacturers now!
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well, i'm about to take delivery of a new boat with a loadrite trailer and i'm considering changing trailer manufacturers now!
Sorry to highjack this thread...

Based on my bad experience, I would advise you to take a couple steps before you take delivery.
1. Have the boat, motor and trailer weighed and have the dealer state in writing that the boat and trailer are correct and set up properly.
2. Shop for a trailer. Call other dealers and tell them you own the boat you are looking at now and will need a trailer for it.

Also loadrite is not the same as loadrite 5 star.....
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That's a crock. So if I buy a new F150 it is my responsibility to make sure the wheels are balanced?! I don't even think the dealer needs to be responsible. It should be from the manufacturer. Like any vehicle it should be "road ready" upon delivery to the customer.
Barry:
Better read the exclusions in your F150 Warranty Guide.
What’s NOT covered in the F150 Warranty
Maintenance/Wear
The New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover: (1) parts and labor
needed to maintain the vehicle; and (2) the replacement of parts due to
normal wear and tear. You, as the owner, are responsible for these items.
See your Scheduled Maintenance Guide. Some examples of maintenance
and normal wear are:
• oil changes
• oils, lubricants, other fluids
• oil/air filters
• tire rotation/inflation
• cleaning/polishing
• clutch linings
• Wiper blades
• Wheel alignments and tire
balancing

• Brake pad/lining
Where a vehicle has no factory-related defect, and is therefore not
entitled to a warranty related repair, replacement or adjustment, it is
Ford policy nonetheless to provide certain maintenance items, when
necessary, free of charge during a limited period:
• wiper blade replacements will be provided during the first 12 months
in service, regardless of miles driven
• wheel alignments and tire balancing (unless required by a warranty
repair) will be provided during the first 12 months or 12,000 miles in
service, whichever occurs first
• Brake pad/lining replacements will be provided during the first
12 months or 18,000 miles in service, whichever occurs first

Tire Wear or Damage
The New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover normal wear or worn
out tires. Tires will not be replaced (unless required by a warranty
repair) for wear or damage including:
• tire damage from road hazard such as cuts, snags, bruises, bulges,
puncture, and impact breaks
• tire damage due to under or over inflation, tire chain use, racing,
spinning (as when stuck in snow or mud), improper mounting or
dismounting, or tire repair
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well, i'm about to take delivery of a new boat with a loadrite trailer and i'm considering changing trailer manufacturers now!
I wouldn't because of what you've read here. They make a good product and my experience is they stannd behind it. USAF1975's issue is more the exception than the rule...

If you're in salt and getting one of their aluminum models, be sure you get the stainless fastner option.. That was the only reason I sold my 04 and bought the 08... They used galvanized, and even cad plated hardware on the 04... I was pretty pissed when I saw it.. They sent me all kinds of stuff to pacify me BTW, spare, spare carrier, hub, still was never happy about the hardware rusting..
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AF, thanks for posting this. I have a newer 5star also, and I will be adding ubolts to the ibeam at the appropriate places to help insure that the beam does not split.
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Rob... I don't think so. You and I have identical trailers, the beams on mine are 6" tall... I just measured them the other day

Only issue I've had is the bunk shown, which they replaced under warranty through Camp
Fish, I don't think this is the same trailer Rob has (similar to the OP's). I have the same one, and the model number ends with a LTB1. I don't think my I-beam is 6 inches tall, which means that Rob and I need to keep an eye on the fenders and the I-beam itself. I'll measure it tonight and check the gross weight rating.
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i have had problems with my 5-starr too. the load-rite reps were not helpful, gave me the runaround, and did nothing. i even offered to bring the trailer to them to see. nothing. tie down is worse. i dealt with all the same people you did. the dealer admits there is a problem, but load-rite will not address it.
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Default Update on repairs of Load Rite 5 Starr Boat trailer

Well,

I would love to say that everything is proceeding great. But I will not say it. After looking for a responsible repair facility last week (as requested by Load Rite) and relaying that information to Load Rite Trailers Inc. last Wednesday the repair facility has not been contacted at all about repairing my Load Rite Boat trailer. Tried contacting Load Rite today without success or any reply.


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Well,

I would love to say that everything is proceeding great. But I will not say it. After looking for a responsible repair facility last week (as requested by Load Rite) and relaying that information to Load Rite Trailers Inc. last Wednesday the repair facility has not been contacted at all about repairing my Load Rite Boat trailer. Tried contacting Load Rite today without success or any reply.


Thanks for the support,

Terry
Here are the facts:

I heard from Load Rite Trailers Inc. (the one located at 265 Lincoln Highway • Fairless Hills, PA 19030 • 215-949-0500), on my 5 Starr trailer repair on Wednesday, February 3. Load Rite has elected to weld my I-Beam failure cracks along with the I-Beam stress cracks on my 5 Starr Load Rite trailer. They have agreed to the other repairs required (replacement of the fenders, additional u-bolts to support the fender brackets, etc.)

I replied on the same day that I felt replacement of the cracked I-beams was necessary, quoting from the maintenance document that came with the trailer “Frames and axles should be visually inspected for rust, damage, and fractures. Load Rite recommends replacement of any structural member having been stressed beyond its range of intended service”. I have attached a picture of the document to this posting. Please note the bottom bullet item in the document.

It is impossible to know whether there are additional stress cracks in the existing I-beams which are ready to fail. Welding 6061-T6 aluminum I beams is a very tricky proposition. TIG welding will reduce the tensile strength of the I-beam in half in the area of the weld. Proper heat treatment can bring those properties back if correctly done. Use of incorrect alloy rod can also produce cracks in the surrounding aluminum. There are too many variables in trying to weld repair aluminum I-beams on a boat trailer. The I-beam crack locations, on my trailer, are where the load of the bunks/boat weight transfer happens. A goof up here will end up with a boat in the highway. These are the unknown risks that I am not willing to gamble on and injure someone else or myself on the highway.

They also replied that my selection of a repair facility is not preferred by Load Rite. Load Rite requested that we locate a repair facility in the area to conduct the repairs. We are in a remote area with limited services available. It took 3 days to locate a repair facility that has the ability to conduct the repairs. The repair facility is also a small boat trailer builder in North West Florida near my location. This is a company that I would put my trust in to rebuild a broken trailer - not some repair facility that has no knowledge of proper boat trailer assembly.

I want to remind everyone that the cracked I-beams caused 3 fenders to break free from the trailer. One flew into traffic on the Illinois Interstate, which could have caused a tragic accident.

No response from Load Rite in the last two days.

Thanks for the continued support,

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Sorry to highjack this thread...

Based on my bad experience, I would advise you to take a couple steps before you take delivery.
1. Have the boat, motor and trailer weighed and have the dealer state in writing that the boat and trailer are correct and set up properly.
2. Shop for a trailer. Call other dealers and tell them you own the boat you are looking at now and will need a trailer for it.

Also loadrite is not the same as loadrite 5 star.....
Same crap trailers ,i had a custom catamaran trailer built by them and fell apart .They are shit bolt on kit trailers. When i had my issues with my trailer they basically told me pound sand ,and i questioned the construction of the trailed ,and they were arrogant at best ,then they even told me that an aluminum trailer would not work for my boat ,they were wrong about it too . My trailer was totalled by a drunk driver when my boat was on the water, that was a happy day now i have a triple axle aluminum trailer under it . I would stay as far as i could from any loadrite trailers. LOADRITE = JUNK with very little or no support from mfg.
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Terry,

I'm sorry to hear that you are still having problems getting this resolved. Welding the I-beams would not make me too happy and I don't blame you for wanting them replaced. However, if you have the same warranty that I have, it says right in the first paragraph that Load Rite has the option to repair or replace as they see fit. It also says that they get to designate the repair facility. (See attached for exact wording)

I hate to say it but at this point you may want to contact your lawyer. If you haven't done so already.
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Rob,

Yes,
Your photo of the warranty is on the back side of the warranty/maintenance photo I put up. It is a one page document that comes with the trailer. Kind of contradicting statements on the same document? One side of the warranty/maintenance document says Load Rite Trailers Inc. recomends replacement of damaged structure and the other side says Load Rite Trailers do what we want regardless of what we said on the opposite side of the document? Don't have me spend time to find someone to fix your failed I-beams and fenders and then tell me you don't like who I picked?

6 months old and 1500 miles on this Load Rite 5 starr tandem axle trailer at the time of the incident.

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You've stepped into the ring against the wrong opponent and you're getting sucker punched for all your efforts. The dealer sold you a bum trailer ... end of story. The dealer owes you a replacement trailer that is adequate for the task or a trailer repair that meets industry standards. Be prepared to prove in court with a competent expert witness what those industry repair standards are for an aluminum I-beam trailer. You'll have to file your small claims case in Virginia.

http://www.courts.state.va.us/resour...procedures.pdf

You'll be limited to $5,000, no lawyers (until the dealer files for his appeal).

As a practical matter, I think you're faced with poor choices, but repairing it on your own dime in Florida, just to get home, and worrying about the money later is one of them. This has the disadvantage of leaving you with a bum trailer that's been repaired and which may break again, plus being forced to negotiate some cost sharing arrangement for your out-of-pocket expenses. Pursuing your legal claims so far from home will not be easy. There must have been a heck of a good reason why you purchased your rig so far away from where you lived, right?
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    I am compelled to alert other boaters who have purchased or are using Load Rites’ model 5S-AC20T4200102TB1 Five Star 2008 tandem trailers of three major safety hazards.

    I purchased a new 2008 Proline 20 Sport with a 2008 Load Rite 5 Starr trailer from Hanes Outdoors in VA in August 2009. In August I drove to VA with my pickup truck to tow the new boat and trailer home to Green Bay, WI. At the dealer I had them show me the tongue weight of the trailer to ensure I would not have issues of trailer swaying from wrong tongue weight. The tongue weight measured 270 lbs. I also asked the dealership to be sure tire pressure was correct and they assured me that the tire pressure was within spec. While towing the trailer and boat back to Green Bay I did notice a very rough ride. The trailer bounced terribly across every bump in the road. After getting to Green Bay I noticed the two lock nuts on the bolts which hold the Tie Down Engineering surge brake to the tongue of the trailer where within one turn of coming off. Wow, that could have been a major disaster on the highway with loss of life from my trailer hanging by its safety chains swinging into oncoming traffic. I called Load Rite and was put in contact with Mike Sodano, a sales rep at Load Ride. For the Tie Down Engineering brake problem Mike put me in contact with Roy at Tie Down Engineering and Mike stepped aside. After several phone calls with Roy at Tie Down Engineering it was determined the lock nuts were defective and Tie Down would send me nylon locking nuts (instead of the special metal deformed locking nuts that came with the trailer) and new shoulder bolts for the surge brake to trailer tongue connection. The new bolts and lock nuts have held to date. As for the rough ride from the trailer torsion suspension Mike Sodano said and I quote “The torsion axles are quite compliant and should offer you a good ride.” Mike said to check to make sure my tire pressure was not over the 50 psi rating of the tire. So, I check them all and report back that the tires are at 40 psi. Mike then tells me to run them at 50 psi cold temp which is the max rating on the tire. Won’t this just aggravate my hard ride? This was the end of Mike’s concern about my experiencing a rough ride. Wait for more of the story before jumping to conclusions. I then question whether the trailer is sized according to the design manual on Load Rites website. The boat weight is 3700 lbs per Pro-Lines web site. Then according to Load Rites web trailer selection manual, it says to add 10% for cargo which brings the weight to 4070 lbs. The selection manual again says to choose a trailer one size larger from the closest weight capacity of the calculated trailer weight. This is not the trailer that was selected by Load Rite for carrying my boat and sold to Hanes Outdoors. The capacity of the trailer carrying my boat is 4,200 lbs according to the label on the trailer. Mike Sodano again says everything is just fine and don’t worry about it my trailer is rated for 4,600 according to him which is in conflict with the numbers on the trailer sticker. This recommendation still contradicts Load Rites own selection manual online.
    Move forward to the Florida trip on January 1, 2010. Weather was a brisk zero degrees Fahrenheit leaving Wisconsin. My friend is following my truck and boat with his truck and boat. Deciding not to go through Chicago we take highway I-43 to highway I-39 in Illinois. Just across the border in Illinois I notice the left rear fender of the tandem trailer acting differently then all the other fenders. As a semi goes past the boat trailer the left rear fender sways back and forth nearly catching the sidewall of the rear tire. I called my friend in the truck behind me to see if he is seeing the same thing. He confirms the fender has broken away from the support on the rear support. I stop at the next exit and inspect the damage. I stopped quick enough to avoid damage to the tires or loosing the fender. I remove the two remaining front bolts for the fender and store it in the rear of the truck. I inspect the other fenders and notice some small cracks in the top of the fender radius but they are still attached at the bolts on the supports. We get back on the highway and in another 20 miles I notice the left side front side fender acting in the same manner as the rear side fender did. It is also broken loose from its rear support and swaying back and forth. I again stopped and removed the two bolts that were still holding the left front fender onto the front support and store the fender in the truck. Again, I looked at the two fenders on the right side which were attached to their supports on both ends of the fenders. Back on the highway and another 50 miles down the road I see right rear fender flying at my friends’ vehicle behind me! The fender had cracked away at all four bolt locations and launched itself into the air at my friends’ truck. It luckily misses his truck and lands in the ditch along the highway. If this had been the drive side, the fender would have gone through his windshield. I stop again and as a precaution, remove the last fender which has cracked through around one of the mounting bolts so it does not launch out into the highway. The vibration in the slotted I beam frame at the rear of the trailer is so bad it has also broken the wires from the taillight thereby disabling its function. I stop and re-solder the broken wires onto the copper strips inside the lens. Day one travel nightmare is complete. We complete the trip without fenders on the boat trailer and start the process of analyzing what went wrong.

    The following is my assessment of what went wrong and why.

    My assessment:

    1. The trailer is not sized according to Load Rites own manual for my boat weight.
    2. The rough ride exhibited by the trailers torsion suspension is also suspect. I can bounce on a leaf spring trailer of the same load size and get movement of the frame relative to the tires. I can bounce all day long on this Load Rite trailer and there is no shock absorption from the torsion suspension.
    3. The patented slotted I beams are great to install axles, fender supports and taillights onto the I beam without drilling the flange of the I beams like other manufacturers. However, it compromises the structural integrity of the I beam and allows the fenders to flap in the wind as the supports are only held in with one bolt. The rear fender support at the back of the I beam is the worst for deflection. The forward supports are a little more rigid as they are closer to the axle clamping bolts which stiffen the bottom of the I beam. This difference in defections of front and rear fender supports is what causes the twisting of the fenders and the ultimate metal fatigue failure. Other trailer manufactures have extra supports at the rear of their I beams to stop the twisting of their I beams. Other trailer manufactures have u bolt clamps over the I beams into the fender supports and are held rigid from both sides of the I-beam. Others have an angle galvanized steel member that parallels the aluminum I-beam to hang the fender supports off of. Load Rite engineers needs to look into this as part of the solution.
    4. The taillight wires have no extra loop of wire or any shrink on the connection to absorb the shock which is why they break off. The taillights are also connected to the slotted I beam at the very rear of the I beam and exhibit the most twisting motion from bumps in the road. The slotted I beam bottom half flange twists with little force applied in the static condition.

    Here is Mike Sodano’s response after numerous e-mails to fix the underlying problem:

    “I haven’t denied that you were involved in a dangerous situation brought about by your Load Rite trailer. I simply stated that the issue most likely stemmed from an assembly error and not a material issue. I am willing to send you any parts you need to bring your trailer back to original condition.”

    Sorry, I am not willing to launch new fenders into traffic on the highways and possibly cause a fatality on the roadway without fixing the underlying problem. Either fix these structural problems or make a more compliant suspension system so it does not impart shock loads to the components on the trailer thereby causing safety issues.

    According to NHTSA web site Load Rite Company has the obligation:

    If a safety-related defect exists in a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment, the manufacturer must provide a remedy at no cost to the owner. Your complaint is the first step in the process. I will file the report next week.

    Simply replacing broken parts and not correcting the underlying problem does not meet this safety requirement. I am seriously concerned for my safety and others traveling around this trailer on any future trips with the trailer design as is, for fear of causing a fatal injury to someone if the fenders again break away from their supports on the trailer.

    Mike Sodano would not forward my concerns to Load Rites safety representative or to the President of Load Rite. I did send a letter directly to Load Rites President, George Branca, on Thursday January 7th 2010. I am awaiting a response. I have spent a considerable amount of money on a trailer and boat I thought was of excellent quality and a purchase I should be proud of. Load Rite needs to step up to the plate and make this right even if it means a new trailer that is sized per their sizing manual and does not have the other safety concerns of fenders flying off on the highway.

    Sincerely,

    Terry N.
    Mechanical Engineer
    Green Bay, WI
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    Sorry to hear about your experience, Thanks for the input. I am currently looking to buy a trailer for my 31cc and was considering this brand. I will def. be sure to ask questions regarding these issues before making the purchase!
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    Clearly your trailer is not what you should expect. Some random thoughts, which may or may not help:
    1) Why do you believe that LoadRite determined which trailer was appropriate for your boat? I had always thought it was the dealer's responsibility unless it came as a package from the manufacturer. If Proline supplied the trailer to the dealer then maybe you should get them involved. THT member Mike Carrigan is related to ProLine in some way, and seems to be very responsive to ProLine questions and "issues".
    2) It doesn't surprise me too much that the torsion axles don't "bounce" when you jump up and down on the trailer. It's rated for 4200 or 4600 lbs, and you weigh how much? I'd guess that a 3700 boat deflects the suspension maybe 3 or 4 inches, so a 250 lb man would deflect it by ~1/4 inch (I know, static vs dynamic loading, just using this as an example.) What's the difference in trailer ride height with and without the boat?
    3) I would take the wheels and tires and have them balanced. I've seen trailer wheels that need huge amounts of weight to balance them. Might this account for some of the rough ride?
    4) I don't see a 4200 lb-rated trailer on LoadRite's website, they do show one rated for 4600 lbs. Is the 4200 lbs on the label gross or net? Seems like the trailer probably weighs more than 400 lbs. Does your trailer have ST205/14C tires? What's their max load carrying capacity? They need to have sufficient capacity to support the gross weight of the trailer.
    5) It looks like there's a cross member aft of the rear axle, which looks like it would give the rear bracket the same support that the forward bracket has, and control any tendency the beams would have to twist. Am I mistaken about the aft cross member? If the beams are deflecting that sounds really, really, really, bad. But it sounds like you're there already.
    6) Have you checked all of the fasteners to see how tight they are? It seems like some of these problems could result from the trailer being assembled improperly, with the fasteners not properly tightened.
    Bill

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    Bill,

    Thanks for the input. Here are some of the answers to your questions.

    1.Not once through all correspondence with Load Rites’ Mike Sodano on the trailer capacity questions did he mention or put any blame for selection of the trailer onto the dealer.
    2.I have not measured. I will be using the boat later this week so I will check and let you know.
    3.I have not checked balance of the wheels. This was never brought up by Load Rite either.
    4.Interestingly this trailer does not show up on Load Rites website. This must have been a discontinued model in 2008. It clearly states 4200 lb load capacity.the model number also has this information in it. I have the ST205/75 D14 tires (1760 lbs at 50 psi)
    5.The rear cross member holds the I-beam center from twisting however, the bottom flange under the cross member as it is split in two easily twists with minimal downward pressure on the support. One of the pictures shows the slot in the I beam with the one carriage bolt and nut holding the fender support and the taillight assy with one bolt holding it also. I would like to shoot the video of the bottom flange of I-beam at the rear and show how easy flexing occurs of these two attached items.Take a one foot plastic ruler on a table with one held on the table and give it push on the other end and watch it flex and vibrate when released that is the same motion you get with this support arrangement. Will this site accept video footage?
    6.Yes, the fasteners have been checked.
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    Gotta admit that their extrusion design looks pretty cheesy, especially since hearing about the problems you're having. It's amazing that the beam would twist as easily as you describe, but the web appears to be much thinner than I would expect it to be. LoadRite is pretty proud of them based on the advertising on their web site.

    I assume that there are places along the length of the beams where the bolts can be removed so you don't have to take them off all the way at the end?
    This site will take video's. Haven't done it myself so can't help there.
    When I first bought my current trailer I took all eight (three axles + 2 spares) to get them balanced. The manager of the shop told me it wasn't necessary for trailers, but I insisted. By the time they were done he was recommending which two should be used as spares based on the amount of weight needed to balance them. Those were GoodYear Marathons.
    Once again, Good Luck.
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    I always love it when people join THT and post a 1763 word complaint for their first post.

    Sorry to hear about your problems Terry, but buying a boat and trailer isn't like going to Wal-Mart and buying a new toaster.

    I didn't read your entire wall of words but it sounds like you really needed to work with your selling dealer to resolve the situation, not go directly to the manufacturer.
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    I feel the responsibility of choosing the correct capacity trailer is up to the person buying it 100%, if the end user doesn't know what he's doing when ordering, the dealer should be the one to point fingers at. As an engineer, you should know vibration is what caused the cracking, like Hammer, I have my tires and wheels balanced.. Cheap'n'easy at a big tire store. I also think the slot makes for a weak connection on the fender brakets, they flex more than I like when I apply my 225lbs on them!


    I have the same design on my new to me 5 Starr (an 08 model).


    I had some reservations on the slot design. I too see the purpose of it as a way to dramatically cut back the amount of hardware required for the assembly. Because of my past experiences, I re-torque my wheels before every major trip (1200 mi NJ-FL runs) and, once when it had about 1500 miles old, every bolt on the trailer. Fortunately everything is still there on the axles to easily add U bolts, and I planned on adding them just to get the warm'n'fuzzies. After reading this I will be measuring and shopping on line today. If I were you, I would get all the new parts Load Rite will give you, and have them include U-bolts to back up the slot connection. Based on how Load-Rite handled an issue with me a few years back, they'll step up to the plate and you should be happy. With regard to capacity, when the tires wore out on my last trailer, I found it was the only difference between it and the next capacity upward.
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    Wow,

    I went out to shoot a video of the deflection problem. So, I cleaned the travel dirt off the I-beam and low and behold the bottom flange of the I-beam is totally cracked to the middle slot of the lower I-beam. You can see the crack in the attached photo just below the plate that is bolted to the I-beam and traveling to the right up toward the front. The Drivers side lower flange I-beam is also cracked. Now, it makes sense why the passenger side fenders flew off first as it is worse. I wish I could upload the video however I see no way to upload a 14mb video file.

    Load Rite has been in contact with me before I found this bigger I-beam flaw. They have the video file of the I-Beam crack failure. I have sugested a replacement trailer at this point. I hope they also see the same solution. The Crack in the I-Beam is propogating toward the axle clamp area and once it reaches that area it is good-by rear axle. Their engineering manager seems sincere.

    I will keep you posted.
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    Good luck and if it was me I would also contact the dealer where you purchased the baot s o they know whats going on with Load Rite. I have an older Load Rite trailer and it built like a tank. If you want to post a video you could post it on YouTube and then past a link to it here.
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    ........ After reading this I will be measuring and shopping on line today. If I were you, I would get all the new parts Load Rite will give you, and have them include U-bolts to back up the slot connection. ..
    Took measurements today, found the regular U-bolt holes in the axle mount are partially covered by the I-beam, would be a lot of work to add them... Was thinking, I may be in overkill mode............ BUT; After seeing the pict on your 2nd post USAF, now I'm going back over and look at that beam more closely and reconsider!! Wow!
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    Sorry to hear this report on your Load Rite trailer.
    Hate to say I've experienced similar failure on a 2007 Road King I purchased used with a 2002 23'WA. The trailer was new and never titled but no warranty. Appeared that the boat fit and the 7400# rating was ok as we topped the scales at 6100# ready to fish minus ice. Just got the trailer I-beams welded last week. This has been a process that started in the first year. THE LIST: fender brackets welded, marine grade plywood backing added to finders to dampen vibration and secure if brackets fail, added gussets to cross members, welded bracing at gusset location, welded 6"-8" long cracks in I-beams. This trailer LOOKS like a well made trailer. Enough material from original trailer to work with to create a safe trailer. Road King has not been helpful other than suggesting possibly being over weight and tires out of balance. Good luck.
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    Are y'all looking at the Net or Gross weight capacities?

    Big difference.
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    Are y'all looking at the Net or Gross weight capacities?

    Big difference.
    Put mine on certified scale attached to truck which was not on scale 5500#, removed from truck with jack on scale 6100#, tag has 7400#. Close to a 20% safe zone on weight and 10% tongue weight.
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    7,400 lbs Net or Gross?????

    There are two different numbers you need to be aware of on trailer specs

    Gross trailer weight rating (GTWR) is the total weight of a trailer that is loaded to capacity, including the weight of the trailer

    and

    Net or Capacity which is the maximum weight a trailer is designed to carry.

    You have to pay attention as to how the trailer weight is presented.

    A trailer with a 7,400 lb gross weight is really only designed to CARRY 6.200 lbs (approx)


    The OP has a 3,700 lb boat on a 4,200 lb trailer. If that 4,200 lb rating is for the Gross, the trailer load capacity is probably only around 3,500 lbs. An overloaded trailer,
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    Not sure if this was directed toward my reply. As said, the trailer, boat, gear and fuel on scales 6100# leaving 1300# for ice and food. We usually pack a light lunch and get ice at 7-11 next to ramp.

    USAF1975: When you go to scales get both weights. Trailer attached to truck and disconnect for gross, the difference is tongue. Sounds like you may be way over as our dry hull is 3365#, loaded including trailer almost doubles the weight. Proline has the dry hull at 2600#, add fuel, oil, motor, batteries, electronics and gear or hit the scales as I did.
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    Not sure if this was directed toward my reply. As said, the trailer, boat, gear and fuel on scales 6100# leaving 1300# for ice and food. We usually pack a light lunch and get ice at 7-11 next to ramp.
    Is the 7,400 lbs you state Net or Gross???
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    Sorry about that, gross 7400# - net 6200# . Boat rigged without trailer approx. 4900#. Also corrected when we found the axles were 3/4" out of square with ball. Hopefully I will post a good report later once we put a few miles on the improvements.
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    You see what I was getting at?

    If the OPs trailer is rated for 4,200 lbs GROSS, his 3,700 lbs load is too heavy.
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    You see what I was getting at?

    If the OPs trailer is rated for 4,200 lbs GROSS, his 3,700 lbs load is too heavy.
    My Gross weight on the Load Rite trailer is 5,320 lbs My net or load capacity is 4,200 lbs. My tongue weight was measured a 270 lbs.

    Boat length is 20'- 6"

    Boat weight: 2600 lbs

    Motor is 500 lbs

    Gas is 70 gal at 7 lbs/gallon: 490 lbs



    If we take just these weights the total is 3590 lbs The Proline website has trailer weight at 3700 lbs for this boat. Adding Load Rites recommendation of an additional 10% for take along gear items makes the weight 4070 lbs. Load Rites selection guide says to go to the next size trailer.

    I ran this question pass Load Rites Mike sodano the day after I purchased the trailer and had my 1000 mile rough ride from VA to WI. His answer was my capacity was fine.

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    i had a loadrite trailer that pretty much self destructed on the highway, from bearings to wiring ,lousy towing with it on a catamaran . The hppiest day was when someone totalled it on the side of the road while my boat was on the water .They are POS kit trailers u clamped with too many parts that could conceivably go out of position ,creating an unsafe sway on the trailer. My trailer was rated 1 ton above the max weight of the loaded boat . I would never own a loadrite again ,and i live about 12 miles from where they assemble them in PA . REAL JUNK
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    Wow,

    I went out to shoot a video of the deflection problem. So, I cleaned the travel dirt off the I-beam and low and behold the bottom flange of the I-beam is totally cracked to the middle slot of the lower I-beam. You can see the crack in the attached photo just below the plate that is bolted to the I-beam and traveling to the right up toward the front. The Drivers side lower flange I-beam is also cracked. Now, it makes sense why the passenger side fenders flew off first as it is worse. I wish I could upload the video however I see no way to upload a 14mb video file.

    Load Rite has been in contact with me before I found this bigger I-beam flaw. They have the video file of the I-Beam crack failure. I have sugested a replacement trailer at this point. I hope they also see the same solution. The Crack in the I-Beam is propogating toward the axle clamp area and once it reaches that area it is good-by rear axle. Their engineering manager seems sincere.

    I will keep you posted.

    Well after three days of waiting after sending the video of the I-Beam failure, to Load Rite trailers, I figured I would update you all. After sending the video on Monday the 11th of Jan 2010 and the President George Branca pressing the return reciept on his computer I have heard nothing. I even asked for an update today from Engineering manager Gary McPerson and George Branca (President) with no return reciept on the email. The silence is deafening. Here I sit in Florida boat still on the trailer waiting for someone from this company to step up and get this problem solved. I even called the dealer as some have suggested on this website. The dealer, Hanes Outdoor Marine, in Virgina was useless. Stuart Hanes, the person I talked to and is the person who sizes the trailers, basically said talk to Load Rite directly as I sized the trailer correctly and its Load Rites Problem your I-Beams failed.

    Is it not nice to be taken care of when a problem happens on the road just when you need someone?

    I will keep you posted of this nightmare.
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    "We complete the trip..."
    I thought you were saying that you made it home to WI. But you're still in Florida, unable to make it home?
    We're pulling for ya. What are your options for getting home?
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    USAF1975,

    I have been following your post with extreme interest. I also purchased a new 5 starr trailer (Model 5S-AC22T5200102LTB1) in August of 2009 for my 1998 Sea Pro 210 WA. See attached picture.

    My boat is not much larger than yours but by the time I added up all the weight and a comfortable margin for extra gear I felt the 5200 lb net trailer was the way to go. The dealer told me I could get away with the 4600 lb trailer but I wasn't really comfortable with that.

    My trailer is the LTB1 model which I understand is a shorter overall frame but still sized for a 20-22 ft boat.

    I have only put about 200 miles on the trailer so far as our place in MD is right next to the boat ramp. Most of the miles were from picking the trailer up in NJ and bringing it back to MD. I did not notice any vibration problems at all and the torsion seemed a lot more cushiony than my old leaf spring trailer.

    My previous trailer was a load rite galvanized roller trailer. It served me very well for 10+years with yearly trips to Florida and Canada. After a trip to Canada in July, I realized it was time for a major rebuild. Rather than sinking money into the old trailer I shopped around and decided to go with the new 5 starr bunk trailer.

    My boat and trailer are laid up for winter right now and I won't be doing any long distance trips until next summer. But, you can believe I will be keeping a very close eye on the trailer.

    I hope you get everything resolved soon. Good luck and keep us posted.
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    I thought you were saying that you made it home to WI. But you're still in Florida, unable to make it home?
    We're pulling for ya. What are your options for getting home?
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    I am still in Florida. I meant I completed the leg of the trip to Florida. I am not going back to Wisconsin for a while yet. I made this annual trip to fish. We are fishing with my freinds smaller bass boat who came with me on the trip from Wisconsin. At some point I have to put a new trailer under this boat to get back home. I even started talking to a local trailer dealer that handles Float-on trailers to buy one. This is a nightmare.

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    USAF1975,

    I have been following your post with extreme interest. I also purchased a new 5 starr trailer (Model 5S-AC22T5200102LTB1) in August of 2009 for my 1998 Sea Pro 210 WA. See attached picture.

    My boat is not much larger than yours but by the time I added up all the weight and a comfortable margin for extra gear I felt the 5200 lb net trailer was the way to go. The dealer told me I could get away with the 4600 lb trailer but I wasn't really comfortable with that.

    My trailer is the LTB1 model which I understand is a shorter overall frame but still sized for a 20-22 ft boat.

    I have only put about 200 miles on the trailer so far as our place in MD is right next to the boat ramp. Most of the miles were from picking the trailer up in NJ and bringing it back to MD. I did not notice any vibration problems at all and the torsion seemed a lot more cushiony than my old leaf spring trailer.

    My previous trailer was a load rite galvanized roller trailer. It served me very well for 10+years with yearly trips to Florida and Canada. After a trip to Canada in July, I realized it was time for a major rebuild. Rather than sinking money into the old trailer I shopped around and decided to go with the new 5 starr bunk trailer.

    My boat and trailer are laid up for winter right now and I won't be doing any long distance trips until next summer. But, you can believe I will be keeping a very close eye on the trailer.

    I hope you get everything resolved soon. Good luck and keep us posted.
    Rob,

    Thanks for the support. What is your I-Beam size on the 5200 lb trailer? Mine is 5"inches tall by 3" wide. Just curious. How far are your bunks past the back of the I-Beams?

    Still no contact from Load Rite. Surprise... Surprise.

    I went to the local hardware store and bought some rectangle bolts to pull my I beams back together so I can at least get to the local boat landing with the trailer.That way the boat won't drop off the back onto the pavement if the I-Beams split all the way up to the axles. If I end up with another one of these special patten pending trailers I will use rectangle bolts on the I-Beam as a safety precaution. I attached a picture of my new addition to get me around (short distances) until Load Rite steps up to the plate to fix this.

    I also checked the front cross member that attaches to the I-Beam and on the front right side I have cracks in the I-Beam also. see picture and look close on the right side side of the plate that bolts to the outside of the I-Beam. Two cracks about an inch long starting. One just above the lower corner and one about 1/2" above that. Small in comparison to the rear. But, non the less, starting in another spot it should not be.

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    Shame on Loadrite ,i had my fair share of problems with a catamaran trailer (over 6 thousand dollars) ,and they never responded ,i had to buy several parts to fix that POS .I would tell everybody to stay as far away as they could from any Loadrite products .
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    Shame on Loadrite ,i had my fair share of problems with a catamaran trailer (over 6 thousand dollars) ,and they never responded ,i had to buy several parts to fix that POS .I would tell everybody to stay as far away as they could from any Loadrite products .
    Dannyscat,

    Was your trailer in the 2yr warranty period like mine (6 months old)? If so, did they totally ignore your letters/emails? Since they know my trailer has to be replaced or totally rebuilt they have said nothing. I hope I don't have to hire an attorney to get this resolved.

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    I always love it when people join THT and post a 1763 word complaint for their first post.

    Sorry to hear about your problems Terry, but buying a boat and trailer isn't like going to Wal-Mart and buying a new toaster.

    I didn't read your entire wall of words but it sounds like you really needed to work with your selling dealer to resolve the situation, not go directly to the manufacturer.
    I didn't read it either. Sounds like just another routine manufacturer bashing thread to me.

    He doesn't mind getting personal with the company exectutive's names, but he's not willing to provide his own.

    Probably some guy who got fired from the company and wants to hurt them. Those photos could be anybody's trailer, even one that's been in an accident.
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    I would never own an aluminum trailer, just don’t trust construction/strength of aluminum trailers.

    Learned early on (60 years ago) in my engineering education that:

    Steel BENDS......Aluminum BREAKS Example; the fenders (broken off) pictured by the original poster.

    Additionally I can weld steel and modify my trailers to my needs, which is always required.

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    I have a Load Rite 5 Starr also, and I must say that I have been quite pleased with it. It hauls my 25 Fountain CC extremely well thru winter snow and rain to the the east cost without a glitch. It appears you lost a fender from perhaps someone standing on it thus weakening the mounting points causing them to fail. I also think the setup and weight issues must be addressed before pointing the finger at the manufacture. I have made several east coast trips of 900 miles + each time and it towed perfectly. Sorry to hear about your misfortune.
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    I have a Load Rite aluminum I Beam 6000# capacity tandem axle. Other than crappy tie down brakes no problem here.
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    I think the trailer for my first boat was a Load Rite. Never had a problem with it.
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    Rob,

    Thanks for the support. What is your I-Beam size on the 5200 lb trailer? Mine is 5"inches tall by 3" wide. Just curious. How far are your bunks past the back of the I-Beams?

    Still no contact from Load Rite. Surprise... Surprise.

    I went to the local hardware store and bought some rectangle bolts to pull my I beams back together so I can at least get to the local boat landing with the trailer.That way the boat won't drop off the back onto the pavement if the I-Beams split all the way up to the axles. If I end up with another one of these special patten pending trailers I will use rectangle bolts on the I-Beam as a safety precaution. I attached a picture of my new addition to get me around (short distances) until Load Rite steps up to the plate to fix this.

    I also checked the front cross member that attaches to the I-Beam and on the front right side I have cracks in the I-Beam also. see picture and look close on the right side side of the plate that bolts to the outside of the I-Beam. Two cracks about an inch long starting. One just above the lower corner and one about 1/2" above that. Small in comparison to the rear. But, non the less, starting in another spot it should not be.

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    Terry,

    I am almost certain my i-beams are the same size as yours. As for the bunks extending past the frame I think it was about 18". I have a picture of the rear end of the boat but is is hard to tell exactly. My boat is stored at my place in MD for the winter or I would run out and take some measurements. So, if our i-beams are the same size, and the tires are the same size what is different about the two trailers to make the weight rating different? The axles?
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    Funny thing is I added an extra u-bolt in about the same place on my trailer as you did! Not because of any cracks in the frame, but becuase I did not like where the tie down hooks were originally located next to the bunks. It was too far inboard and my tie down straps were getting cut by the trim tabs. So, I added a new u-bolt and tie plate and moved the tie down hook to be more in line with the hooks on the boat.


    You should be able to see the ubolt and tie die hook in the 2nd picture. It has a stainless shackle on it for my straps to attach to.


    They always say a warranty is only as good as the company behind it. I have always heard good things about Load Rite. Hopefully they will continue to live up to their reputation.
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    Terry,

    I am almost certain my i-beams are the same size as yours. As for the bunks extending past the frame I think it was about 18". I have a picture of the rear end of the boat but is is hard to tell exactly. My boat is stored at my place in MD for the winter or I would run out and take some measurements. So, if our i-beams are the same size, and the tires are the same size what is different about the two trailers to make the weight rating different? The axles?
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    Funny thing is I added an extra u-bolt in about the same place on my trailer as you did! Not because of any cracks in the frame, but becuase I did not like where the tie down hooks were originally located next to the bunks. It was too far inboard and my tie down straps were getting cut by the trim tabs. So, I added a new u-bolt and tie plate and moved the tie down hook to be more in line with the hooks on the boat.


    You should be able to see the ubolt and tie die hook in the 2nd picture. It has a stainless shackle on it for my straps to attach to.


    They always say a warranty is only as good as the company behind it. I have always heard good things about Load Rite. Hopefully they will continue to live up to their reputation.
    Rob,

    Thanks for getting back with me. I was hoping that your answer to the I-Beam size would answer what is the difference between the trailers.

    I find it pretty interesting that today I notified Load Rite about this web site and that people would be interested in the outcome and all of a sudden we get a bunch of nay sayers. Wow! That is dragging the bottom of the barrel posting their happy boy people instead of answering my email on how they are going to replace my trailer. Wow! I guess I need to buy a newspaper with a date on it to put next to the trailer? No consideration at all. Thanks for the support!
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    I have a Load Rite 5 Starr also, and I must say that I have been quite pleased with it. It hauls my 25 Fountain CC extremely well thru winter snow and rain to the the east cost without a glitch. It appears you lost a fender from perhaps someone standing on it thus weakening the mounting points causing them to fail. I also think the setup and weight issues must be addressed before pointing the finger at the manufacture. I have made several east coast trips of 900 miles + each time and it towed perfectly. Sorry to hear about your misfortune.
    Shooter,

    I have answered most the questions somewhere in here. Load Rite and the dealer have both said the trailer is sized to their satisfaction. I even gave the the weight numbers in this tread. Call Stuart Hanes Toll free 866-769-7441 at Hanes Outdoor Marine in Virgina and tell him your Terry from Wisconsin that just talked to him 2 days ago about the trailer he sold me and the I-beams failing. Ask him if he calculated the right trailer for the 20 Sport Proline he sold me in Aug. See If you get the same answer as I did?

    I concead that standing on the fenders will absolutely break the fenders off this trailer (if your weight is 200 lbs). But, you are missing the big picture... The right side I beam is broke through the center of the I-Beam and the lower flange is not attached anymore (see the pictures)! The left side I-Beam is broke but not through to the back of the I-Beam. The I-beam where the front cross member attaches is also starting to crack. Are you saying I can't stand on my fenders as I may break my main I-Beams? Really? If that is a possibility then give me my money back now! Put yellow caution cones aroung the trailer when you park the boat at the boat landing so that someone you don't know who stands up on your fender to look inside does not total your trailer.

    I think I will tell my insurance company that one, so they have to replace the trailer and I don't have to deal with Load Rite. You think they will buy that one? Stay tuned as my insurance company is sending an adjuster to look at the trailer. I will post the surveyors notes to the insurance company when he is done.

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    Terry,

    I never indicated that standing on the fenders would cause your I-beam to crack as it appears to have in that picture. I do agree that you have a serious problem but I'm not sure that its fair to assume that all Load Rite trailers are JUNK. I'm not a mechanical engineer as your self, I just fix eyes for a living. I do have enough mechanical background to believe that some sort of vibration is causing negative harmonics that is tearing you trailer apart. It would take a tremendous amount of force to tear that fender off as shown in those pics, as well as create a fracture in the I beam. But vibration can create devastating effects. We have all seen the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse video from Physics class. I would think that Load Rite would be interested in finding the cause of your problem so that they may be able to prevent future problems. I spent an entire day in and out of the water adjusting my trailer so that it fit my boat perfectly. It was a huge PITA but I'm happy that I got it right and am happy with my trailer thus far. I hope that your problem gets resolved.

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    Just for reference my trailer is listed at #6200 net #7400 gross. I honestly think they sold you too small of a trailer for your rig. Also I think that boat manufactures are very vague in their weight calculations. I went with more trailer as opposed to landing almost right at my net #.

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    ....................... Also I think that boat manufactures are very vague in their weight calculations. .........
    My Glastron weighed more than 1,000 lb more than the manufacturer's "published weight" when I actually weighed it.

    If the OP didn't actually weigh his rig (yes, on a scale), he may well be overloading the trailer.
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    My Glastron weighed more than 1,000 lb more than the manufacturer's "published weight" when I actually weighed it.

    If the OP didn't actually weigh his rig (yes, on a scale), he may well be overloading the trailer.
    Guys,

    this was a package deal at the dealer. I had nothing to do with being able to select my own trailer. I just got off the phone with Haynes Outdoor Marine in Virgina and Sonny Haynes is now going to spearhead a resolution with Load Rite. He seems very motivated to help me with this situation.

    Thanks for the support.

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    Sounds like they dumped a discontinued trailer that wasn't worth much anymore and was barely at the weights limits of your rig. Hopefully the make it right
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    Guys,

    this was a package deal at the dealer. I had nothing to do with being able to select my own trailer. I just got off the phone with Haynes Outdoor Marine in Virgina and Sonny Haynes is now going to spearhead a resolution with Load Rite. He seems very motivated to help me with this situation.

    Thanks for the support.

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    Aren't you sorry now that you bashed the trailer manufacturer and its employees and officers (by name) when the problem was really with the dealer selling you an under capacity trailer to begin with?

    Are you willing to appologize to the trailer manufacturer and its staff?
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    I am compelled to alert other boaters who have purchased or are using Load Rites’ model 5S-AC20T4200102TB1 Five Star 2008 tandem trailers of three major safety hazards.

    I purchased a new 2008 Proline 20 Sport with a 2008 Load Rite 5 Starr trailer from Hanes Outdoors in VA in August 2009. In August I drove to VA with my pickup truck to tow the new boat and trailer home to Green Bay, WI.

    At the dealer I had them show me the tongue weight of the trailer to ensure I would not have issues of trailer swaying from wrong tongue weight. The tongue weight measured 270 lbs. I also asked the dealership to be sure tire pressure was correct and they assured me that the tire pressure was within spec.

    While towing the trailer and boat back to Green Bay I did notice a very rough ride. The trailer bounced terribly across every bump in the road. After getting to Green Bay I noticed the two lock nuts on the bolts which hold the Tie Down Engineering surge brake to the tongue of the trailer where within one turn of coming off. Wow, that could have been a major disaster on the highway with loss of life from my trailer hanging by its safety chains swinging into oncoming traffic.

    I called Load Rite and was put in contact with Mike Sodano, a sales rep at Load Ride. For the Tie Down Engineering brake problem Mike put me in contact with Roy at Tie Down Engineering and Mike stepped aside.

    After several phone calls with Roy at Tie Down Engineering it was determined the lock nuts were defective and Tie Down would send me nylon locking nuts (instead of the special metal deformed locking nuts that came with the trailer) and new shoulder bolts for the surge brake to trailer tongue connection.

    The new bolts and lock nuts have held to date. As for the rough ride from the trailer torsion suspension Mike Sodano said and I quote “The torsion axles are quite compliant and should offer you a good ride.” Mike said to check to make sure my tire pressure was not over the 50 psi rating of the tire.

    So, I check them all and report back that the tires are at 40 psi. Mike then tells me to run them at 50 psi cold temp which is the max rating on the tire. Won’t this just aggravate my hard ride? This was the end of Mike’s concern about my experiencing a rough ride. Wait for more of the story before jumping to conclusions.

    I then question whether the trailer is sized according to the design manual on Load Rites website. The boat weight is 3700 lbs per Pro-Lines web site. Then according to Load Rites web trailer selection manual, it says to add 10% for cargo which brings the weight to 4070 lbs. The selection manual again says to choose a trailer one size larger from the closest weight capacity of the calculated trailer weight.

    This is not the trailer that was selected by Load Rite for carrying my boat and sold to Hanes Outdoors. The capacity of the trailer carrying my boat is 4,200 lbs according to the label on the trailer. Mike Sodano again says everything is just fine and don’t worry about it my trailer is rated for 4,600 according to him which is in conflict with the numbers on the trailer sticker. This recommendation still contradicts Load Rites own selection manual online.

    Move forward to the Florida trip on January 1, 2010. Weather was a brisk zero degrees Fahrenheit leaving Wisconsin. My friend is following my truck and boat with his truck and boat. Deciding not to go through Chicago we take highway I-43 to highway I-39 in Illinois.

    Just across the border in Illinois I notice the left rear fender of the tandem trailer acting differently then all the other fenders. As a semi goes past the boat trailer the left rear fender sways back and forth nearly catching the sidewall of the rear tire.

    I called my friend in the truck behind me to see if he is seeing the same thing. He confirms the fender has broken away from the support on the rear support. I stop at the next exit and inspect the damage. I stopped quick enough to avoid damage to the tires or loosing the fender.

    I remove the two remaining front bolts for the fender and store it in the rear of the truck. I inspect the other fenders and notice some small cracks in the top of the fender radius but they are still attached at the bolts on the supports.

    We get back on the highway and in another 20 miles I notice the left side front side fender acting in the same manner as the rear side fender did. It is also broken loose from its rear support and swaying back and forth. I again stopped and removed the two bolts that were still holding the left front fender onto the front support and store the fender in the truck.

    Again, I looked at the two fenders on the right side which were attached to their supports on both ends of the fenders. Back on the highway and another 50 miles down the road I see right rear fender flying at my friends’ vehicle behind me!

    The fender had cracked away at all four bolt locations and launched itself into the air at my friends’ truck. It luckily misses his truck and lands in the ditch along the highway. If this had been the drive side, the fender would have gone through his windshield.

    I stop again and as a precaution, remove the last fender which has cracked through around one of the mounting bolts so it does not launch out into the highway. The vibration in the slotted I beam frame at the rear of the trailer is so bad it has also broken the wires from the taillight thereby disabling its function.

    I stop and re-solder the broken wires onto the copper strips inside the lens. Day one travel nightmare is complete. We complete the trip without fenders on the boat trailer and start the process of analyzing what went wrong.

    The following is my assessment of what went wrong and why.

    My assessment:

    1. The trailer is not sized according to Load Rites own manual for my boat weight.

    2. The rough ride exhibited by the trailers torsion suspension is also suspect. I can bounce on a leaf spring trailer of the same load size and get movement of the frame relative to the tires. I can bounce all day long on this Load Rite trailer and there is no shock absorption from the torsion suspension.

    3. The patented slotted I beams are great to install axles, fender supports and taillights onto the I beam without drilling the flange of the I beams like other manufacturers. However, it compromises the structural integrity of the I beam and allows the fenders to flap in the wind as the supports are only held in with one bolt.

    The rear fender support at the back of the I beam is the worst for deflection. The forward supports are a little more rigid as they are closer to the axle clamping bolts which stiffen the bottom of the I beam. This difference in defections of front and rear fender supports is what causes the twisting of the fenders and the ultimate metal fatigue failure.

    Other trailer manufactures have extra supports at the rear of their I beams to stop the twisting of their I beams. Other trailer manufactures have u bolt clamps over the I beams into the fender supports and are held rigid from both sides of the I-beam.

    Others have an angle galvanized steel member that parallels the aluminum I-beam to hang the fender supports off of. Load Rite engineers needs to look into this as part of the solution.

    4. The taillight wires have no extra loop of wire or any shrink on the connection to absorb the shock which is why they break off. The taillights are also connected to the slotted I beam at the very rear of the I beam and exhibit the most twisting motion from bumps in the road. The slotted I beam bottom half flange twists with little force applied in the static condition.

    Here is Mike Sodano’s response after numerous e-mails to fix the underlying problem:

    “I haven’t denied that you were involved in a dangerous situation brought about by your Load Rite trailer. I simply stated that the issue most likely stemmed from an assembly error and not a material issue. I am willing to send you any parts you need to bring your trailer back to original condition.”

    Sorry, I am not willing to launch new fenders into traffic on the highways and possibly cause a fatality on the roadway without fixing the underlying problem. Either fix these structural problems or make a more compliant suspension system so it does not impart shock loads to the components on the trailer thereby causing safety issues.

    According to NHTSA web site Load Rite Company has the obligation:

    If a safety-related defect exists in a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment, the manufacturer must provide a remedy at no cost to the owner. Your complaint is the first step in the process. I will file the report next week.

    Simply replacing broken parts and not correcting the underlying problem does not meet this safety requirement. I am seriously concerned for my safety and others traveling around this trailer on any future trips with the trailer design as is, for fear of causing a fatal injury to someone if the fenders again break away from their supports on the trailer.

    Mike Sodano would not forward my concerns to Load Rites safety representative or to the President of Load Rite. I did send a letter directly to Load Rites President, George Branca, on Thursday January 7th 2010. I am awaiting a response.

    I have spent a considerable amount of money on a trailer and boat I thought was of excellent quality and a purchase I should be proud of. Load Rite needs to step up to the plate and make this right even if it means a new trailer that is sized per their sizing manual and does not have the other safety concerns of fenders flying off on the highway.

    Sincerely,

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    Load Rite has responded today.

    Load Rite has decided to repair the trailer instead of replacing it. I would have perefered a replacement, this is going to be interesting as all parts will have to be shipped to a non-Load Rite dealer and assembled per Load Rites instructions. No details yet of how all this is going to be scheduled and accomplished? Load Rite thinks that the trailer tires possibly being out of balance caused the destruction of the trailer I-Beams and all four fenders. Yet to be determined.

    I have tried to keep this tread conversation as a diary, with names of those involved at the dealer and Load Rites company for the record, of what has happened not as a bashing post as some who have not read the actual posts infer. This incident could have injured people or worse killed someone (my best buddy and his wife who were following me when one of the fenders launched at them) so keep that in mind about the seriousness of this. Again, Load Rite and the dealer both have said from the day after I drove from the dealer to Wisconsin that it was sized correctly and they both still hold this view. If it is not sized correctly then both would share the responsiblity equally as both were asked the question more than once.


    Thanks for the support,

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    Terry,

    Glad to see you are finally making some progress towards a resolution. Hard to believe Load Rite wouldn't have a dealer down in FL that you could work with. Of course, FL has boat trailer manufacturers and dealers on almost every corner.
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    Aren't you sorry now that you bashed the trailer manufacturer and its employees and officers (by name) when the problem was really with the dealer selling you an under capacity trailer to begin with?

    Are you willing to apologize to the trailer manufacturer and its staff?
    rwidman, why should anyone apologize? It is their product and their dealer= their responsibility. This industry needs a spank in the butt. It is both the manufacturer,s and their agent the dealer responsibility to make sure the consumer receives a product that is safe and suitable. Anyone off the onion truck should be able to purchase a package without fear of parts falling off or major components failing or worse.
    ASAF1975 Sorry to hear of your problem. Just look on the brightside you only need a trailer and your problem is solved. I had a trailer problem with a packaged boat. The maker of that trailer was completely hands off. "we cannot control the dealer""we leave it up to the dealer" and I knew it was not their fault, I just wanted their help to push the forked tonge dealer into correcting the problem.
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    As I suspected Vibration and harmonics bad news on rigid aluminum. Hope they get it fixed this time. I would still throw that rig on a scale. I think you might be quite surprised when you see real vs calculated weight totals.
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    Terry,

    I am almost certain my i-beams are the same size as yours. .
    Rob... I don't think so. You and I have identical trailers, the beams on mine are 6" tall... I just measured them the other day

    Only issue I've had is the bunk shown, which they replaced under warranty through Camp
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    rwidman, why should anyone apologize? It is their product .
    They made the trailer. They have no control over what happens to it once it is sold (even to a dealer). If the dealer put a 6K lb boat on a 4K lb capacity trailer, it's the dealer who is at fault. If he wants to bash someone, it should be the dealer.
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    Loadrite has acknowledged that the trailer , in their estimation, is properly sized. That being the case, the structural failure is theirs. The fender bolt holes appear to have been elongated by repetitive flexing, not fragmented from a heavy weight (that is, someone standing on them). The fender failures appears to have been caused by extreme flexing and/or vibration. Rigid mounting is suspect as you must expect a certain amount of flexing in most trailers (like the wing of an aircraft). The beam failures appear to be caused by stresses (possible temperature or material imperfections) imposed during the extrusion process in the initial production of the beam (Note the at least one crack started in the end of the beam that is not stressed. Similar properties in the main body of the beam could result in torsional stresses experienced by the whole trailer; that is, the beam is weak in certain areas allowing irregular flexing. Imbalanced tires could exaserbate the issue but are not the main cause as evidenced by the beam failing at its very end.
    Load Rite ought to step up to the plate and replace the trailer. AF - carefully inspect the new beams before assembly. Look for hairline cracks, metal pulls (as if drug through a metal die cold) and areas that look like pitting (meaning contamination in the metal).
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    Rob... I don't think so. You and I have identical trailers, the beams on mine are 6" tall... I just measured them the other day

    Only issue I've had is the bunk shown, which they replaced under warranty through Camp
    Afishinado,

    Thanks for clearing that up. I was going off my memory since the trailer is not here to measure. I had purchased u-bolts to relocate the tie down brackets and I throught they were 3 1/16 x 6 to give me an extra length for the bracket and washer on a 5" beam. They must have been 6 1/2" or 7" long, I'm not sure now.

    Not to go off topic from the OP but where did you get that front support? I was thinking of adding target bunks for the bow but your set up looks like if may work better. My trailer only came with a pad on the cross member.
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    Based on your earliest statement of how rough and bouncy the trailer was with the boat on it and the damage to the frame now, it sounds like the wrong axles are installed on the traiiler. ie: 6000lb axles on a 4000lb trailer

    Is there some kind of rating label on the axles that can verify they are correct for the 4600lb trailer ?
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    Based on your earliest statement of how rough and bouncy the trailer was with the boat on it and the damage to the frame now, it sounds like the wrong axles are installed on the traiiler. ie: 6000lb axles on a 4000lb trailer

    Is there some kind of rating label on the axles that can verify they are correct for the 4600lb trailer ?
    Great question !I will try to find out that answer. It seems manufactures are not providing that info in the online info?

    Spent the day gathering info for the insurance company and talking with the local dealer of other trailer manufactures. It seems that most trailer manufactures keep a lot of info under the radar.

    I have been asked more than once why I a have not hired an attorney, to resolve this.
    It is making me really think?

    Thanks for the support!

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    Attorney's cost money that you won't ever get back. I think you are better off playing ball with the people that can help you rather than piss them off. Unless you know an attorney that has a good used boat trailer he wants to give you Our country is sue crazy drives up the cost of everything we do
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    Your right, the only one who wins are the attorneys. This is a six month old trailer the manufacturer is saying has excessive miles on at 1500 miles when it blew apart? Does anyone use a trailer for that amount of miles and think it is excessive use?


    Wow! I am amazed at a manufacturer saying that kind of comment.


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    I put 1800 miles on my trailer in just two trips!
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    There isn't an odometer on your trailer so how the hell would they know how many miles are really on the trailer. Most of your miles were from the bouncing ride home from the purchase anyway
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    I put 1800 miles on my trailer in just two trips!
    I was told buy Load Rite that I had excessive milage on my trailer in six months. I am dead serious! If you read my diary of the purchase to date I had at most 1500 miles on this trailer when she blew apart! Excessive!

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    Took the boat to get weighed at the local dump. The boat and trailer weighed 4670 lbs gross includes tongue weight and full tank of gas. So it is under the 5320 lbs of the trailer gross weight, This issue is off the table I think? Weather at zero degrees at time of destruction (metal composition quality), and right torsion axles is on the table yet among other things.


    Thanks for all the input,


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    Afishinado,

    Thanks for clearing that up. I was going off my memory since the trailer is not here to measure. I had purchased u-bolts to relocate the tie down brackets and I throught they were 3 1/16 x 6 to give me an extra length for the bracket and washer on a 5" beam. They must have been 6 1/2" or 7" long, I'm not sure now.

    Not to go off topic from the OP but where did you get that front support? I was thinking of adding target bunks for the bow but your set up looks like if may work better. My trailer only came with a pad on the cross member.
    Rob,

    The trailer target bunks was part of the package. No idea if the dealer put it on or not. Sorry. Call Hanes Outdoors marine in Virgina they may have put it on?

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    I was told buy Load Rite that I had excessive milage on my trailer in six months. I am dead serious! If you read my diary of the purchase to date I had at most 1500 miles on this trailer when she blew apart! Excessive!

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    Tell whomever told you that to please send that on a letterhead... Something tells me you'll never see it. Hard to believe anyone with any common sense from a trailer mfg would ever say that.
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    Hmm, I put 1500 mi on my Magictilt (upsized for my boat) in 2 DAYS, in the fall and spring, Mich - Keys and back. A 6000lb boat and has bigger I beams than the pics you provided. Have had zero issues in 11K mi. Orig tires and 4 whl discs.
    As a auto engineer, always hard to swallow the BS that goes on with the boat and trailer manufacturers. Can you imagine a car company treated the OP the way this is going down. It is not his fault in the slightest.
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    Tell whomever told you that to please send that on a letterhead... Something tells me you'll never see it. Hard to believe anyone with any common sense from a trailer mfg would ever say that.
    I have it in Mike S.'s email response from LoadRite!

    Here is the quote:

    "We are in agreement that the entire issue stems from an out-of-balance condition with one or more of the tires on your trailer. Based on the significant amount of mileage on your trailer, this conclusion would be well founded."

    1500 miles and 6 months old?

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    Perfect... They supplied the tire and wheel I presume too... So when are they replacing those beams?
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    I have it in Mike S.'s email response from LoadRite!

    Here is the quote:

    "We are in agreement that the entire issue stems from an out-of-balance condition with one or more of the tires on your trailer. Based on the significant amount of mileage on your trailer, this conclusion would be well founded."

    1500 miles and 6 months old?

    Sincerely,

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    If the trailer was not set up correctly or truly out of balance, any amount of miles would be bad for it. For a properly setup and balanced trailer, 1500 miles is nothing. I don't think he is saying the miles on the trailer caused the problem, but since the trailer had a problem to begin with, running the trailer 1500 miles was enough to tear it apart.

    Just trying to see all sides here. Either way it's no fault of your own.
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    Perfect... They supplied the tire and wheel I presume too... So when are they replacing those beams?
    The rims and tires were Load Rites'. No weights of any kind on them from the beginning. Basically saying its the owners reponsibility when you drive off the dealers parking lot per their owners manual.

    Really no mention if the I beams will be replaced. All Load Rite has said is it will be repaired. When and how is a good question, they say at a place near me. There is a lot of logistics yet to be determined.

    Thanks for the support,

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    The rims and tires were LoadRites. No weights of anykind on them from the beginning. Basically saying its the owners reponsibility when you drive off the dealers parking lot per their owners manual.


    Terry
    That's a crock. So if I buy a new F150 it is my responsibility to make sure the wheels are balanced?! I don't even think the dealer needs to be responsible. It should be from the manufacturer. Like any vehicle it should be "road ready" upon delivery to the customer.
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    That's a crock. So if I buy a new F150 it is my responsibility to make sure the wheels are balanced?! I don't even think the dealer needs to be responsible. It should be from the manufacturer. Like any vehicle it should be "road ready" upon delivery to the customer.
    Barry,

    I could not agree with you more. Here is the full quote from Load Rite:

    "We are in agreement that the entire issue stems from an out-of-balance condition with one or more of the tires on your trailer. Based on the significant amount of mileage on your trailer, this conclusion would be well founded.

    From the Load Rite Owner’s Manual that leaves the factory with every trailer:

    1.6.7. Tire Balance and Wheel Alignment

    To avoid vibration or shaking of the vehicle when a tire rotates, the tire must be properly

    balanced. This balance is achieved by positioning weights on the wheel to counterbalance

    heavy spots on the wheel-and-tire assembly."


    I am biting my tongue and not trying to bash and its getting really hard not too.

    Thanks for level minded thinking from people like you,


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    well, i'm about to take delivery of a new boat with a loadrite trailer and i'm considering changing trailer manufacturers now!
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    well, i'm about to take delivery of a new boat with a loadrite trailer and i'm considering changing trailer manufacturers now!
    Sorry to highjack this thread...

    Based on my bad experience, I would advise you to take a couple steps before you take delivery.
    1. Have the boat, motor and trailer weighed and have the dealer state in writing that the boat and trailer are correct and set up properly.
    2. Shop for a trailer. Call other dealers and tell them you own the boat you are looking at now and will need a trailer for it.

    Also loadrite is not the same as loadrite 5 star.....
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    That's a crock. So if I buy a new F150 it is my responsibility to make sure the wheels are balanced?! I don't even think the dealer needs to be responsible. It should be from the manufacturer. Like any vehicle it should be "road ready" upon delivery to the customer.
    Barry:
    Better read the exclusions in your F150 Warranty Guide.
    What’s NOT covered in the F150 Warranty
    Maintenance/Wear
    The New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover: (1) parts and labor
    needed to maintain the vehicle; and (2) the replacement of parts due to
    normal wear and tear. You, as the owner, are responsible for these items.
    See your Scheduled Maintenance Guide. Some examples of maintenance
    and normal wear are:
    • oil changes
    • oils, lubricants, other fluids
    • oil/air filters
    • tire rotation/inflation
    • cleaning/polishing
    • clutch linings
    • Wiper blades
    • Wheel alignments and tire
    balancing

    • Brake pad/lining
    Where a vehicle has no factory-related defect, and is therefore not
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    Ford policy nonetheless to provide certain maintenance items, when
    necessary, free of charge during a limited period:
    • wiper blade replacements will be provided during the first 12 months
    in service, regardless of miles driven
    • wheel alignments and tire balancing (unless required by a warranty
    repair) will be provided during the first 12 months or 12,000 miles in
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    • Brake pad/lining replacements will be provided during the first
    12 months or 18,000 miles in service, whichever occurs first

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    The New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover normal wear or worn
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    • tire damage due to under or over inflation, tire chain use, racing,
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    well, i'm about to take delivery of a new boat with a loadrite trailer and i'm considering changing trailer manufacturers now!
    I wouldn't because of what you've read here. They make a good product and my experience is they stannd behind it. USAF1975's issue is more the exception than the rule...

    If you're in salt and getting one of their aluminum models, be sure you get the stainless fastner option.. That was the only reason I sold my 04 and bought the 08... They used galvanized, and even cad plated hardware on the 04... I was pretty pissed when I saw it.. They sent me all kinds of stuff to pacify me BTW, spare, spare carrier, hub, still was never happy about the hardware rusting..
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    AF, thanks for posting this. I have a newer 5star also, and I will be adding ubolts to the ibeam at the appropriate places to help insure that the beam does not split.
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    Rob... I don't think so. You and I have identical trailers, the beams on mine are 6" tall... I just measured them the other day

    Only issue I've had is the bunk shown, which they replaced under warranty through Camp
    Fish, I don't think this is the same trailer Rob has (similar to the OP's). I have the same one, and the model number ends with a LTB1. I don't think my I-beam is 6 inches tall, which means that Rob and I need to keep an eye on the fenders and the I-beam itself. I'll measure it tonight and check the gross weight rating.
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    i have had problems with my 5-starr too. the load-rite reps were not helpful, gave me the runaround, and did nothing. i even offered to bring the trailer to them to see. nothing. tie down is worse. i dealt with all the same people you did. the dealer admits there is a problem, but load-rite will not address it.
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    Well,

    I would love to say that everything is proceeding great. But I will not say it. After looking for a responsible repair facility last week (as requested by Load Rite) and relaying that information to Load Rite Trailers Inc. last Wednesday the repair facility has not been contacted at all about repairing my Load Rite Boat trailer. Tried contacting Load Rite today without success or any reply.


    Thanks for the support,

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    Well,

    I would love to say that everything is proceeding great. But I will not say it. After looking for a responsible repair facility last week (as requested by Load Rite) and relaying that information to Load Rite Trailers Inc. last Wednesday the repair facility has not been contacted at all about repairing my Load Rite Boat trailer. Tried contacting Load Rite today without success or any reply.


    Thanks for the support,

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    Here are the facts:

    I heard from Load Rite Trailers Inc. (the one located at 265 Lincoln Highway • Fairless Hills, PA 19030 • 215-949-0500), on my 5 Starr trailer repair on Wednesday, February 3. Load Rite has elected to weld my I-Beam failure cracks along with the I-Beam stress cracks on my 5 Starr Load Rite trailer. They have agreed to the other repairs required (replacement of the fenders, additional u-bolts to support the fender brackets, etc.)

    I replied on the same day that I felt replacement of the cracked I-beams was necessary, quoting from the maintenance document that came with the trailer “Frames and axles should be visually inspected for rust, damage, and fractures. Load Rite recommends replacement of any structural member having been stressed beyond its range of intended service”. I have attached a picture of the document to this posting. Please note the bottom bullet item in the document.

    It is impossible to know whether there are additional stress cracks in the existing I-beams which are ready to fail. Welding 6061-T6 aluminum I beams is a very tricky proposition. TIG welding will reduce the tensile strength of the I-beam in half in the area of the weld. Proper heat treatment can bring those properties back if correctly done. Use of incorrect alloy rod can also produce cracks in the surrounding aluminum. There are too many variables in trying to weld repair aluminum I-beams on a boat trailer. The I-beam crack locations, on my trailer, are where the load of the bunks/boat weight transfer happens. A goof up here will end up with a boat in the highway. These are the unknown risks that I am not willing to gamble on and injure someone else or myself on the highway.

    They also replied that my selection of a repair facility is not preferred by Load Rite. Load Rite requested that we locate a repair facility in the area to conduct the repairs. We are in a remote area with limited services available. It took 3 days to locate a repair facility that has the ability to conduct the repairs. The repair facility is also a small boat trailer builder in North West Florida near my location. This is a company that I would put my trust in to rebuild a broken trailer - not some repair facility that has no knowledge of proper boat trailer assembly.

    I want to remind everyone that the cracked I-beams caused 3 fenders to break free from the trailer. One flew into traffic on the Illinois Interstate, which could have caused a tragic accident.

    No response from Load Rite in the last two days.

    Thanks for the continued support,

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    Sorry to highjack this thread...

    Based on my bad experience, I would advise you to take a couple steps before you take delivery.
    1. Have the boat, motor and trailer weighed and have the dealer state in writing that the boat and trailer are correct and set up properly.
    2. Shop for a trailer. Call other dealers and tell them you own the boat you are looking at now and will need a trailer for it.

    Also loadrite is not the same as loadrite 5 star.....
    Same crap trailers ,i had a custom catamaran trailer built by them and fell apart .They are shit bolt on kit trailers. When i had my issues with my trailer they basically told me pound sand ,and i questioned the construction of the trailed ,and they were arrogant at best ,then they even told me that an aluminum trailer would not work for my boat ,they were wrong about it too . My trailer was totalled by a drunk driver when my boat was on the water, that was a happy day now i have a triple axle aluminum trailer under it . I would stay as far as i could from any loadrite trailers. LOADRITE = JUNK with very little or no support from mfg.
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    Terry,

    I'm sorry to hear that you are still having problems getting this resolved. Welding the I-beams would not make me too happy and I don't blame you for wanting them replaced. However, if you have the same warranty that I have, it says right in the first paragraph that Load Rite has the option to repair or replace as they see fit. It also says that they get to designate the repair facility. (See attached for exact wording)

    I hate to say it but at this point you may want to contact your lawyer. If you haven't done so already.
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    Rob,

    Yes,
    Your photo of the warranty is on the back side of the warranty/maintenance photo I put up. It is a one page document that comes with the trailer. Kind of contradicting statements on the same document? One side of the warranty/maintenance document says Load Rite Trailers Inc. recomends replacement of damaged structure and the other side says Load Rite Trailers do what we want regardless of what we said on the opposite side of the document? Don't have me spend time to find someone to fix your failed I-beams and fenders and then tell me you don't like who I picked?

    6 months old and 1500 miles on this Load Rite 5 starr tandem axle trailer at the time of the incident.

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    You've stepped into the ring against the wrong opponent and you're getting sucker punched for all your efforts. The dealer sold you a bum trailer ... end of story. The dealer owes you a replacement trailer that is adequate for the task or a trailer repair that meets industry standards. Be prepared to prove in court with a competent expert witness what those industry repair standards are for an aluminum I-beam trailer. You'll have to file your small claims case in Virginia.

    http://www.courts.state.va.us/resour...procedures.pdf

    You'll be limited to $5,000, no lawyers (until the dealer files for his appeal).

    As a practical matter, I think you're faced with poor choices, but repairing it on your own dime in Florida, just to get home, and worrying about the money later is one of them. This has the disadvantage of leaving you with a bum trailer that's been repaired and which may break again, plus being forced to negotiate some cost sharing arrangement for your out-of-pocket expenses. Pursuing your legal claims so far from home will not be easy. There must have been a heck of a good reason why you purchased your rig so far away from where you lived, right?
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    You've stepped into the ring against the wrong opponent and you're getting sucker punched for all your efforts. The dealer sold you a bum trailer ... end of story. The dealer owes you a replacement trailer that is adequate for the task or a trailer repair that meets industry standards. Be prepared to prove in court with a competent expert witness what those industry repair standards are for an aluminum I-beam trailer. You'll have to file your small claims case in Virginia.

    http://www.courts.state.va.us/resour...procedures.pdf

    You'll be limited to $5,000, no lawyers (until the dealer files for his appeal).

    As a practical matter, I think you're faced with poor choices, but repairing it on your own dime in Florida, just to get home, and worrying about the money later is one of them. This has the disadvantage of leaving you with a bum trailer that's been repaired and which may break again, plus being forced to negotiate some cost sharing arrangement for your out-of-pocket expenses. Pursuing your legal claims so far from home will not be easy. There must have been a heck of a good reason why you purchased your rig so far away from where you lived, right?
    Thanks for the info.

    Only reason I went that far is that I wanted a Pro-line center console boat. Pro-line is not sold in my area and I needed a salt water boat and trailer to use in Florida salt water for the winter. My aluminum boat and steel trailer were really taking a beating from the salt water.

    Nice to save all your life for retirement and get a product that six months later falls apart and almost injures your friend. Then weld it up like it was a twenty year old tug you had in the back yard. No wonder the country is in the state it is. Sad...

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    Bad spot. I wouldn't like it either for sure. Besides all that, who would buy it repaired... Although it would bug me to do it, I would even offer them a few bucks to offset the cost of new beams if I had to. Good luck.. It sucks, but I'm not sure vinegar is going to work as well as honey on this despite what the other guys here are telling you... Focus on the goal of replacement beams. They appear to be holding the cards and how they treat you may depend a great deal on how you handle them. If I were holding the cards and you came at me with both barrels, I would ignore you, end of it.
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    The fender cracking is not unusual if there is no gusset or brace running from the frame to the fenders. If they are just suspended by the ends, vibration will fracture the aluminum. The t-slot in the channel is not something I'd shop for. I don't see any way the flanges can properly distribute the bolt head load to the main channel.
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    Here are the facts:

    I heard from Load Rite Trailers Inc. (the one located at 265 Lincoln Highway • Fairless Hills, PA 19030 • 215-949-0500), on my 5 Starr trailer repair on Wednesday, February 3. Load Rite has elected to weld my I-Beam failure cracks along with the I-Beam stress cracks on my 5 Starr Load Rite trailer. They have agreed to the other repairs required (replacement of the fenders, additional u-bolts to support the fender brackets, etc.)

    I replied on the same day that I felt replacement of the cracked I-beams was necessary, quoting from the maintenance document that came with the trailer “Frames and axles should be visually inspected for rust, damage, and fractures. Load Rite recommends replacement of any structural member having been stressed beyond its range of intended service”. I have attached a picture of the document to this posting. Please note the bottom bullet item in the document.

    It is impossible to know whether there are additional stress cracks in the existing I-beams which are ready to fail. Welding 6061-T6 aluminum I beams is a very tricky proposition. TIG welding will reduce the tensile strength of the I-beam in half in the area of the weld. Proper heat treatment can bring those properties back if correctly done. Use of incorrect alloy rod can also produce cracks in the surrounding aluminum. There are too many variables in trying to weld repair aluminum I-beams on a boat trailer. The I-beam crack locations, on my trailer, are where the load of the bunks/boat weight transfer happens. A goof up here will end up with a boat in the highway. These are the unknown risks that I am not willing to gamble on and injure someone else or myself on the highway.

    They also replied that my selection of a repair facility is not preferred by Load Rite. Load Rite requested that we locate a repair facility in the area to conduct the repairs. We are in a remote area with limited services available. It took 3 days to locate a repair facility that has the ability to conduct the repairs. The repair facility is also a small boat trailer builder in North West Florida near my location. This is a company that I would put my trust in to rebuild a broken trailer - not some repair facility that has no knowledge of proper boat trailer assembly.

    I want to remind everyone that the cracked I-beams caused 3 fenders to break free from the trailer. One flew into traffic on the Illinois Interstate, which could have caused a tragic accident.

    No response from Load Rite in the last two days.

    Thanks for the continued support,

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    Again,

    I think if the Load Rite Trailers recommends replacement of an over stressed structural part it should follow through on that reccommendation.
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    Are you still in the Keys? If so, Load-Rite has a dealer in Miami...from their website:

    CAMP OUT INC. - 18.64 miles away
    23905 S. W. 132 AVENUE
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    P: 305-257-9900
    F: 305-257-1281

    If you could find a way to get the trailer to them, I'd let them resolve it with Load Rite. I've picked up a couple things from them in their store and they seem to be good people. I would think that they can either (a) fix it properly and send Load Rite the bill or (b) work with you and Load Rite to come up with a solution (ie - another trailer.)
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    Are you still in the Keys? If so, Load-Rite has a dealer in Miami...from their website:

    CAMP OUT INC. - 18.64 miles away
    23905 S. W. 132 AVENUE
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    P: 305-257-9900
    F: 305-257-1281

    If you could find a way to get the trailer to them, I'd let them resolve it with Load Rite. I've picked up a couple things from them in their store and they seem to be good people. I would think that they can either (a) fix it properly and send Load Rite the bill or (b) work with you and Load Rite to come up with a solution (ie - another trailer.)
    Not in the Keys. Up at St. George Island in the panhandle.
    Nearest dealer 9 hours away.
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    I would question the cost of the welded repair vs. replacing the rails. Not considering the integrity of the repair, I believe the trailer would have to be striped down in order(of steel and electronics) to tig weld. i know the trailer does not have electronics but your boat and outboard does and needs to be isolated. A good tig welding operation would certainly want a pretty penny for such a repair.
    As others have said you could lawyer up, but the cost would exceed the price of a new trailer and take a year to settle.
    It probably will not help you but your could file a complaint with Boat Us and the link below is for the FTC. These trailer companies need a tablespoon of what car companies have had to face.

    https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
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    I sent an email to Load Rite Trailers Monday morning 2/8/2010. I asked Load Rite to send me the new I-beams and fenders along with all the previously agreed upon stiffening ubolts. I offered to do all the labor myself for free as a way to get my trailer back in safe service.

    No answer as of today

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    I sent an email to Load Rite Trailers Monday morning 2/8/2010. I asked Load Rite to send me the new I-beams and fenders along with all the previously agreed upon stiffening ubolts. I offered to do all the labor myself for free as a way to get my trailer back in safe service.

    No answer as of today

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    The warranty states that they have the option of repairing or replacing the trailer. It does not give you the option of saying how or who. And if they send you the parts, who is to say that you install them correctly and that your incorrect installation dousen't cause an accident that they might be held liable for?

    You have smeared their name on THT and probably other forums. You continue to post so the thread will remain near the top. It's the Internet, you can choose to do so, nobody can stop you.

    I don't think you've given the manufacturer any reason to do more than the minimum required to meet the terms of the warranty. If I were in charge, that's all you would get.
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    Rwidman, if you were in charge with an attitude like that, they wouldn't be in business anymore. BTT.
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    Rwidman, if you were in charge with an attitude like that, they wouldn't be in business anymore. BTT.
    If I were in charge and he had come to me with a problem before he posted it 20+ times on a boating forum, I would have fixed the problem for him.

    We only have one side of the story here.
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    If I were in charge and he had come to me with a problem before he posted it 20+ times on a boating forum, I would have fixed the problem for him.

    We only have one side of the story here.
    So his warranty is only good as long as he doesn't b itch about his problems?
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    So his warranty is only good as long as he doesn't b itch about his problems?
    He IS already getting what is outlined in his warranty, he probably would have gotten more, but handled it very poorly IMHO.. So he's not getting anything more than he's entitiled to.
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    I would question the cost of the welded repair vs. replacing the rails. Not considering the integrity of the repair, I believe the trailer would have to be striped down in order(of steel and electronics) to tig weld. i know the trailer does not have electronics but your boat and outboard does and needs to be isolated. A good tig welding operation would certainly want a pretty penny for such a repair.
    As others have said you could lawyer up, but the cost would exceed the price of a new trailer and take a year to settle.
    It probably will not help you but your could file a complaint with Boat Us and the link below is for the FTC. These trailer companies need a tablespoon of what car companies have had to face.

    https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
    Boat-tox,

    Thanks, Load Rite has me doing their leg work to find a repair shop. I have looked high and low and spent countless hours on the phone with weld shops in this area. Here is an example of responses from Tallahasse Fl:

    Terry,

    We do not have an AWS certified g4 aluminum structure person or heat treatment capabilities. We are a small welding shop. I would check in Panama city and see if you can find someone in that area. I worked in the aerospace industry in Ohio for almost 30 years and I know about heat treat and tensile strength but you will not find any shop in this area that can help you.


    I have checked Panama City as advised with no luck. The viable vendor who could repair was turned down by Load Rite.

    I am out of options and that is why I offered to do the labor myself.

    I have only relayed a diary of what has happened here.

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    If I were in charge and he had come to me with a problem before he posted it 20+ times on a boating forum, I would have fixed the problem for him.

    We only have one side of the story here.
    So, you would only help customers that don't complain to others? Perhaps this could have been reduced to two postings. The first as it was posted followed by " They took care of me and corrected the problem expeditiously and I am a customer for life". You are correct that we only have one side of the story, a cracked frame, fenders falling off and a owner stranded and forced to seek his own solution.

    So what s the other side of the story?
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    He IS already getting what is outlined in his warranty, he probably would have gotten more, but handled it very poorly IMHO.. So he's not getting anything more than he's entitiled to.

    Excuse me? I have received nothing, my dear boating friend, not a name of any facility, as of yet, (to bring my boat trailer) in order to properly get it fixed by Load Rite.

    Please get your facts right.

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    Excuse me? I have received nothing, my dear boating friend, not a name of any facility, as of yet, (to bring my boat trailer) in order to properly get it fixed by Load Rite.

    Please get your facts right.

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    I believe you posted that they offered to repair it. Is that not correct?
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    I believe you posted that they offered to repair it. Is that not correct?
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    We are being used by a troll in an effort to get more than he is entitled to in my opinion. He joined THT soley for this purpose, it's pretty obvious... He definately has a issue I agree, not denying that.... I had an issue with my first Load Rite that was clearly a lack of my not doing due diligence, not their problem. Had an issue with the new ones bunks, and to make me happy they bent over back-wards. I handled it like everything else; Treat people the way you'd like to be treated... Drag them through the internet mud with one side of the story, and whine some more then threaten to do even more of it, wouldn't be our approach... As has been said by others, theres only one side of the story here, there are two more we'll likely never hear, LR's side and the truth. I'm through helping this guy get the attention he hopes will strong-arm LR into a new trailer (which is really unlikely). Good luck there AF, I'm sure LR will do right by you in spite of the way you are handling this.
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